Posts by Las Malvinas son Argentinas

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

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sbf: but he wants his audience to know that he really doesn’t like the idea of lying about who he is in any case.

That is because he wanted the elders to know who he was and preferred a scene. This is how desperate for content he is. When describing how the elder ghosted him and ignored him from then on, it sounded like he was disappointed as if this was the reaction he desired when showing up to the KH. He even complained that he didn’t follow him into the Croatian section after the English meeting was over. Skip ahead to 46:53 and you'll see what I mean. They have a history and Lloyd is genuinely sad he wasn't confronted by this elder and even reasoned that he should have been, since he was known to be DAed and it was an elder's responsibility to take him aside and ask his reasoning for being there. About the elder:

He was effectively a friend, or used to be a family friend. I’m not going to go into everything but suffice to say, I think he’s a nice guy, but I also know he’s one of the, one of those elders that likes to go above and beyond in being intrusive. That’s been my experience with him. So, to be sat behind him after all these years was emotional, uhm yeah, it’s going to take me awhile to process it.

This is how he described the same elder in his book:

I was relieved to find Sisak congregation’s coordinator, who spoke English, waiting for me at the bus station. Though I could not speak a word of Croatian, he invited me to give one of the talks at the meeting the next evening.

This elder is not to be confused with Marko, who was the BOE Coordinator for the JC:

Footnote 315 This was not the same coordinator who met me at the bus station in Chapter Four. There had been a change in personnel since then.

But evidently this elder he met at this English-speaking KH had his own sordid history with him, so much so it's going to take him some time to "process it". Sounds VERY personal. Lloyd even said he felt he was involved with the Croatian branch, though he doesn't say why. Probably yet another elder who really had a problem with him. Maybe it's the one who said he treated Dijana like a rag or the one who accused him of running a scam by outsourcing his translation work to JWs whilst being inactive. I think the word "intrusive" is a clue that he was quite possibly one of these two.

Or maybe Lloyd Evans is just one huge dick, and these elders liked Dijana and knew how vulnerable she was, so they felt like protecting her from this foreign oaf.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

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How do you know how much Tibor is paid? If it were that low I doubt hed stay.

Did you watch the Tibor interview? He stated that he had a huge difficulty even getting called in for an interview in Croatia and when he did there was a lot of competition and a series of hoops they wanted him to hop through. Lloyd was his first and only employer. He said just that. Now look at the minimum wage in Croatia and the cost of living in Zagreb. Lloyd said on FB he pays 450 (€?) for his flat in the centre. He also doesn’t work a 40 hour week. Those edits for the amount of work Lloyd churns out is not a full time job. It isn’t even a full time job for Lloyd.
So connect the dots. Lloyd is someone who wouldn’t even comp Mark O’Donnell for travel costs when he worked as a JW Watch correspondent. It’s a very safe assumption that Tibor isn’t exactly killing it with what Lloyd gives him. I never said I knew for a fact what he earns.

And if someone brings you something from somewhere, how does that mean they live there? Its their studio, saying someone lives at the studio because they brought something from the studio is just crazy.

Did you watch the Ramacro video? It was said it was about 30 minutes from where he lives in the city centre and then he goes on a tour of it. No one forced him to, he filmed it. Ramacro has kitchen, toilet and laundry facilities. It also has a bedroom and a common area. Otherwise known as a “2 bedroom flat”. Which sounds crazier? Tibor living there and Lloyd killing two birds with one stone by having a dedicated flat and allowing Tibor to live there as part of his compensation? Or Lloyd paying for an empty flat with only the studio section and toilet facilities being used regularly? Safe to assume someone is living there and if not Lloyd’s an idiot for paying rent for a barely used flat. Of course someone else could live there including his wife and girls, or a sex worker he’s “dating” I guess but this isn’t the first time Tibor has fetched something from Ramacro. Perhaps Ramacro’s location was chosen because Tibor lived near that area and it was convenient for him? I don’t know. But I wouldn’t call this all “baseless” when he’s made several videos and provided other context as to what the situation is. And if Tibor wants to waltz in here and say “I don’t live at Ramacro, you are all liars!!” then whatever, I’ll stand corrected on that minor point.

In his January begging tweet Lloyd specifically threatened to shut down Ramacro, which might have also meant letting Tibor go.

No hard feelings, but your theories sound completely baseless.

They are based on what we know and what seems to be the most likely scenario. I don’t think it’s a stretch to say that Tibor likely lives there. Watch the videos I referenced if you are that interested and come to your own conclusion as to what Ramacro is used for besides making videos.

Nicolaou - I think I saw the same map and confused Croatia with Bosnia and Herzegovina which has insane unemployment rates. My mistake. But what Tibor said about the difficulty of finding work in Croatia still stands. And I did read somewhere that the border regions of Croatia near the Bosnian and Serbian borders (where Lloyd used to live) have high unemployment rates. I would think that Zagreb and especially the coastal areas where tourism is a big draw would be the places to go to look for work, but Tibor wasn’t having any luck as a college grad in or near Zagreb.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

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Lloyd and Tibor are in a bit of a symbiotic relationship where they depend on each other. Lloyd needs Tibor for his specific skill set and his willingness to accept a local (low) wage. Tibor needs Lloyd because as he said it is difficult to get a job in Croatia, and almost impossible for one in his field. And Tibor is right, Croatia has the worst unemployment rate in the EU.

If I were Tibor, Lloyd being booted from TTATT was a huge blow. It could have been his ticket to Hollywood had it been a huge thing. Probably in no small part this was in Lloyd’s sales pitch.

Tibor definitely benefitted from the status quo of December 2021 which at least partially explains his bitterness towards Lloyd’s critics. I don’t see him splitting with Lloyd over a disagreement. It is however entirely possible, even probable that with his grift stuck in the mud, Lloyd will try to cut costs with Tibor and look to keep more of the money for himself. He might not have a choice if the Patrons continue to drop. He’s already lost most if not all of what he gained from the begging tweets.

It’ll be one of those incidents where Lloyd goes on holiday and Tibor, who is getting less and less work sees him for who he is : someone who doesn’t give a shit about others.

PS - It sounds like Tibor lives at Ramacro. In the latest video Lloyd stated he brought Lloyd JW literature from there.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

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And to have “leaked” information, which he no longer gets.

I suspect this is why he’s elevated Tibor to the forefront, making him a sort of unseen co-host and putting his name on t shirts. A childish attempt to tell everyone he doesn’t need them.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

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I think he's got a hard core of loyal fans, but he'll loose numbers through people loosing interest & moving on, finding new content etc

His schtick has a limited shelf life. Lately it's devolved into "Tibor this, Tibor that, let's see what Tibor has to say". Even at his peak. Lloyd Evans was essentially a social club with a strict sense of who you could talk to, associate with, complete with a set of rules on how to interact with its leader.

But people were led to believe it was much, much more. Hour+ videos that were filmed at real locations were called documentaries and were branded as such. Lloyd was involved with the TTATT documentary which he was always plugging on his channel and on his social media accounts. He appeared with Leah Remini on that one special. But he's been booted from TTATT for cause and hasn't released a documentary for coming up to two years now. It says right there in the Patreon goals that he is to complete one a year. Now he simply doesn't have the money or desire to travel abroad and film a documentary. There's also the huge workload he'd place on Tibor which would require a lot more money than he's paying him now.

Whilst I don't believe the comedy club routine directly hurt him, it doesn't do him any good either. In fact, it adds to the narrative that has emerged that Lloyd lives a life of leisure and part time work and doesn't necessarily need the money to churn out content. That's what prompted people to donate to him before - the image of Lloyd hard at work late at night going through old WT material to debunk the next JWB episode or convention.

This is the quandary he finds himself in. He has barely enough support to make his generic videos, pay Tibor and live his new lifestyle in Zagreb. To grow his patrons he needs better content which would cost money he doesn't want to spend. He'd rather he just gets all his patrons back and then he'll get some new and improved content out. To read his Patreon goals and compare it what he is really doing is an exercise in false advertising.

he's just (late) news update site.

And not a particularly good one at that. It's all part of the cycle of being an exJW. Sooner more so than later people tire of JW news, even those who still support him. So he needs to account for the 20 or so Patrons that will drop every month and replace them with at least 20, preferably more. It's not happening. His content is simply not worth the support of 404 patrons and it has caught up to him.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

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Why did Dijana settle for Lloyd?

It's important to remember whom she was at the time and what her situation was: A single pioneer sister living in a village outside Sisak with her parents with no hope of gaining any meaningful employment other than raising chickens and harvesting tomatoes. I seem to recall that somewhere Lloyd mentioned that she was a house cleaner or something.

I'd seriously want the fuck out of there. That's no place for a young woman to live.

Men are seduced by looks and Lloyd most certainly was. Women are seduced by words, and in Dijana's particular instance, she had another pressing need to get out of Sisak and into a country with more promising job prospects and better lifestyle. Lloyd especially gets verbose when he gets behind a keyboard and that's how he seduced her into moving to the UK and starting a relationship. Here's how he described their first meeting:

At the end of the meeting, a pretty young girl with dark eyes and raven hair approached me. Her flawless features reminded me of the singer Katie Melua. In perfect English, she thanked me for my talk and said she had enjoyed it. “By the way, I’m Deeyana,” she said.

But they were looking for opposite things, not that it's uncommon with people who barely knew each other. Lloyd wanted instant sexual gratification, and Dijana sought the charming, intelligent and financially stable pioneer brother who could support her. I doubt there were great prospects in her KH. Their email exchange probably went something like this:

"Have to wrap this up, I'm meeting with an important client. Lloyd xoxoxoxo"

Lloyd's supervisor: "Lloyd, can you empty the rubbish bin? Karen in accounting said hers is all full. After that there is a toilet that is overflowing on the second floor"

She didn't know she was marrying Jabba the Hutt.

At any rate, his grift took off and she lived a luxurious lifestyle by her standards. So, I think she got a bit wrapped up in it, and tended to ignore all the other bullshit that came with Lloyd because they were taking holidays several times a year on someone else's expense and could afford the expensive designer brand sunglasses now.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

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When I saw his terrible stand up , like the thing he said about the Queen , I thought that would cost him some Patrons.. what do you think ?

He loses on average 20 Patrons a month. It usually takes over a day for the final number to come in but even if he just loses 14 this month, it shows that he’s not pulling in enough new support every month to grow. He’s actually lost most of his “bump” since his January begging episode got him into the 420s from a low of 386 at the end of 2022. As I remember he was at like 406 when he threatened to take the channel down because of low support.

Unless there is another drop of 14 by tomorrow, it wasn’t the comedy routine. It’s him.

I reckon he can threaten to take the channel down again but I think his existing support has already been stretched fairly thin with that last desperate plea. He’ll just look weak and pathetic to many if he does it again.

I think we should send Lloyd coconuts.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

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From now on please cancel my subscription to your issues...

I wouldn't worry about it. He came here to start shit but forgot one key fact. Lloyd's talking points have no currency here. We can see them from a mile away and aren't impressed. He can come back as many times as he wants, but he'll just be treated to further reviews of Lloyd's comedy routines, Patreon drop updates and the like. Lloyd has banked on people having short memories. We're all about the memories, the patterns of behaviour and his abusive nature.

"Whateveryousay" doesn't irritate me. He's irritating himself by watching Jabba the Hutt's slime being hurled right back at him. It's like having an anti-pornography activist storming the adult theatre right in time for the money shot.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

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This forum thread is the saddest thing I've seen in a while.

You must have missed the livestream.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

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As usual most things outside of the very narrow window of JW content he is going to have a hard time with because he has to think of someone other than himself.

That's really it, isn't it? It's obviously a huge issue for him and that's all he really thinks about. How can I attach myself to this joke? After all he included it in his 9 grievances against WT. Let's take an unscientific "survey" here. Think back to when you were a doubting JW, would the masturbation ban had made the top 9 on your list of things wrong with the organisation? The prohibitions regarding sex would, but I would have rolled it all into one generalised bullet point. Mine would have been:

Prohibition against certain kinds of sex

Disfellowshipping of ones who commit fornication. (I say disfellowshipping, I wouldn't expect a church to condone it)

Prohibition against marrying/dating/having sex with ones outside the religion

I would have rolled that all up into a single entry: Policing one's sex lives. Masturbation would have been included but I wouldn't have thought to mention it directly, especially the way he did as a sole bullet point. Masturbation is really a victimless and unreported crime in the JWs. For reasons which are obvious it's very easy to get away with and generally people did. I don't get why he's so vocal about it. The only way I can rationalise it is that he considers it an essential part of his sexuality.

Well, if we are to believe the Dijana leaks and his livestream, this is really what happened especially after the birth of his second child. His sex life consisted of three things at that point: masturbation, porn, and sex workers.

Evans might be able to learn the craft. I tend to doubt it, mostly because he cannot laugh at himself and he bristles at any kind of criticism, which he would need to heed in order to improve. I just can't imagine someone being good at comedy if they cannot laugh at themselves.

Think of Eminem's act. Had he come out in the late 90's dressing like a gangster, rapping about money, women and street violence, he would have been laughed off as another incarnation of Vanilla Ice. Instead, he dyes his hair straight blonde, dresses like anyone attending a rap concert would and raps about his mum being a drug addict who lived in a trailer, his wife cheating on him, his fleeting and unsuccessful romance with Mariah Carey and generally how dysfunctional his life was.

To even have a chance of his wanking chronicles working in front of an audience, he'd have to devolve to that level and go into how unlucky he was with women before going into all this. Even then, you only want to make perhaps a fleeting reference to it. And as you said, you need to have an entertaining way to deliver it. This is not easy to do. And I don't think he wants to do this or even thinks this way. The methodical way he just lists off the sexual taboos of JWs is what really lost him the audience for good. It wasn't funny and by this time he was just preaching to them about his activism.